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		<title>By: Chad Phillips</title>
		<link>http://mythoughtworld.com/1015/evolution-a-black-and-white-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-14807</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respectfully, disagree, Richard. This is another case of mistaking a conclusion for evidence. The conclusion is that large scale darwinism is de facto the objective reality of the universe. Thus, any other conclusion is automatically dismissed. Additionally, any data will be read through the lense of evolution. That means that any and all data will &quot;prove&quot; evolution is &quot;true.&quot; 

And I don&#039;t mean to sound condescending, but I will point out the obvious: Anthropological measurements don&#039;t prove that we all &quot;come from the water.&quot; Homologous features don&#039;t prove that one species came from another. Similarly, DNA markers don&#039;t prove the &quot;fact&quot; of evolution. What do they prove exactly? Only this, that there are similarities between some species, that there are similarities between DNA, that there are similarities (and differences) between anthropological measurements. That&#039;s all. The same method for reaching the conclusions you&#039;ve posited here are also used by people who claim that the earth is going to end in 2012. They&#039;re basing their data on one set of evidence: the Mayan calendar. Does the fact that the Mayan calendar runs out in 2012 mean the earth is going to end. No. All it means is that the Mayan Calendar runs out in 2012. Nothing more. You can&#039;t tell these folks that, though. Because they already &quot;know&quot; what the data means. Get it? The same is true of Darwinism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully, disagree, Richard. This is another case of mistaking a conclusion for evidence. The conclusion is that large scale darwinism is de facto the objective reality of the universe. Thus, any other conclusion is automatically dismissed. Additionally, any data will be read through the lense of evolution. That means that any and all data will &#8220;prove&#8221; evolution is &#8220;true.&#8221; </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t mean to sound condescending, but I will point out the obvious: Anthropological measurements don&#8217;t prove that we all &#8220;come from the water.&#8221; Homologous features don&#8217;t prove that one species came from another. Similarly, DNA markers don&#8217;t prove the &#8220;fact&#8221; of evolution. What do they prove exactly? Only this, that there are similarities between some species, that there are similarities between DNA, that there are similarities (and differences) between anthropological measurements. That&#8217;s all. The same method for reaching the conclusions you&#8217;ve posited here are also used by people who claim that the earth is going to end in 2012. They&#8217;re basing their data on one set of evidence: the Mayan calendar. Does the fact that the Mayan calendar runs out in 2012 mean the earth is going to end. No. All it means is that the Mayan Calendar runs out in 2012. Nothing more. You can&#8217;t tell these folks that, though. Because they already &#8220;know&#8221; what the data means. Get it? The same is true of Darwinism.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While evolution is neither a chain nor a ladder, there is no scientific reason for disagreeing with the basic conclusions of Darwin. Anthropological measurements and DNA variances (which occur at predictable rates) are now utilized as makers for determining the evolutionally distance of one life form to another, and are widely accepted throughout the scientific community—except in the case of the human species. This refusal is not the result of scientific disagreement, but is caused by political dogmas. These are the same sorts of dogmas that once command all to believe that the earth is flat; tragically, some actually still believe in the flat earth, and hold this belief as an unquestionable truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While evolution is neither a chain nor a ladder, there is no scientific reason for disagreeing with the basic conclusions of Darwin. Anthropological measurements and DNA variances (which occur at predictable rates) are now utilized as makers for determining the evolutionally distance of one life form to another, and are widely accepted throughout the scientific community—except in the case of the human species. This refusal is not the result of scientific disagreement, but is caused by political dogmas. These are the same sorts of dogmas that once command all to believe that the earth is flat; tragically, some actually still believe in the flat earth, and hold this belief as an unquestionable truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Phillips</title>
		<link>http://mythoughtworld.com/1015/evolution-a-black-and-white-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-14603</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 07:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
You state, &quot;darwin ain&#039;t never hurt nobody.&quot; But you&#039;re wrong. Darwin has hurt a lot of people...countless people because of two main factors: (1) what people have done with his ideas and (2) where his ideas lead if one doesn&#039;t lose his or her nerve and follows them to their logical conclusion(s). 

Darwinism is philosophy dressed up to look like science. That&#039;s all it is. Darwinism isn&#039;t falsifiable in any way shape or form. It has made predictions, but ultimately is untestable because (conveniently) its mechanisms take too long for us to observe in real time to see, if, in fact, they are capable of producing the effects posited by Darwinists. This is one reason it has survived for as long as it has. Another reason it has survived is the fact that Creationists have overstated their own case and have made some pretty silly statements about Darwinism, thus tainting their own credibility. Called &quot;theory&quot; only by the very &quot;rightwing fringe,&quot; it is accepted as irrefutable fact by elitist left, intellectuals, and other so-called &quot;smart&quot; people. This is why it will never be replaced by anything else. When you assume that &quot;A&quot; is the case, a priori, then everything you find becomes an &quot;evidence&quot; for the that which you assume. This is Darwinism at its core. Also, when your philosophy has co-opted public education at every level, the mainstream media, and every &quot;respected&quot; peer reviewed scientific journal, it&#039;s not too difficult to see how Darwinism will never be dethroned as the reigning king of materialist philosophy. So I wouldn&#039;t be too worried about Troglodad&#039;s article ruining it for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
You state, &#8220;darwin ain&#8217;t never hurt nobody.&#8221; But you&#8217;re wrong. Darwin has hurt a lot of people&#8230;countless people because of two main factors: (1) what people have done with his ideas and (2) where his ideas lead if one doesn&#8217;t lose his or her nerve and follows them to their logical conclusion(s). </p>
<p>Darwinism is philosophy dressed up to look like science. That&#8217;s all it is. Darwinism isn&#8217;t falsifiable in any way shape or form. It has made predictions, but ultimately is untestable because (conveniently) its mechanisms take too long for us to observe in real time to see, if, in fact, they are capable of producing the effects posited by Darwinists. This is one reason it has survived for as long as it has. Another reason it has survived is the fact that Creationists have overstated their own case and have made some pretty silly statements about Darwinism, thus tainting their own credibility. Called &#8220;theory&#8221; only by the very &#8220;rightwing fringe,&#8221; it is accepted as irrefutable fact by elitist left, intellectuals, and other so-called &#8220;smart&#8221; people. This is why it will never be replaced by anything else. When you assume that &#8220;A&#8221; is the case, a priori, then everything you find becomes an &#8220;evidence&#8221; for the that which you assume. This is Darwinism at its core. Also, when your philosophy has co-opted public education at every level, the mainstream media, and every &#8220;respected&#8221; peer reviewed scientific journal, it&#8217;s not too difficult to see how Darwinism will never be dethroned as the reigning king of materialist philosophy. So I wouldn&#8217;t be too worried about Troglodad&#8217;s article ruining it for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude that ain&#039;t how evolution works. once white skin turned up as a thing doesn&#039;t mean all the black people just stopped evolving. why would that be the case? that&#039;s a silly thing to think

everything alive on the earth - slugs, trees, humans, bacteria, different-looking humans - is *as evolved* as every other lifeform, because they&#039;ve been evolving for exactly the same amount of time

they just evolved for different things is all. black people and white people evolved for different amounts of sun (based on where on the earth they lived)

and yes people tried to use evolution to justify all sorts of awful shit, but that actually stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the theory, just like the one you seem to have

also it&#039;s not like &quot;darwinism&quot; gave them the idea to enslave black people, it was merely an excuse some of them clung onto in order to avoid admitting to themselves that they were human garbage. darwin ain&#039;t never hurt nobody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude that ain&#8217;t how evolution works. once white skin turned up as a thing doesn&#8217;t mean all the black people just stopped evolving. why would that be the case? that&#8217;s a silly thing to think</p>
<p>everything alive on the earth &#8211; slugs, trees, humans, bacteria, different-looking humans &#8211; is *as evolved* as every other lifeform, because they&#8217;ve been evolving for exactly the same amount of time</p>
<p>they just evolved for different things is all. black people and white people evolved for different amounts of sun (based on where on the earth they lived)</p>
<p>and yes people tried to use evolution to justify all sorts of awful shit, but that actually stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the theory, just like the one you seem to have</p>
<p>also it&#8217;s not like &#8220;darwinism&#8221; gave them the idea to enslave black people, it was merely an excuse some of them clung onto in order to avoid admitting to themselves that they were human garbage. darwin ain&#8217;t never hurt nobody</p>
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		<title>By: Troglodad</title>
		<link>http://mythoughtworld.com/1015/evolution-a-black-and-white-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-14578</link>
		<dc:creator>Troglodad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 00:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dellu, thnks for visiting in the waning dys of MTW. It&#039;s been awhile since I wrote the article, but I don&#039;t recall it being an attempt to win-win. Rather, I was sharing the realization that 1800s white europeans used Lamarck and Darwin&#039;s crazy ideas not just to reject God&#039;s laws, but to justify the despicable way they treated non-white people- yet modern black people overlook this and preach Darwinism just the same. Say whatever you like, but it is a historical fact that Europeans treated non-whites like savage primitives and not equals. Carrying on that ideology by continuing to spew the nonsense that we evolved from monkies and you might as well break out the white sheets and light up some crosses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dellu, thnks for visiting in the waning dys of MTW. It&#8217;s been awhile since I wrote the article, but I don&#8217;t recall it being an attempt to win-win. Rather, I was sharing the realization that 1800s white europeans used Lamarck and Darwin&#8217;s crazy ideas not just to reject God&#8217;s laws, but to justify the despicable way they treated non-white people- yet modern black people overlook this and preach Darwinism just the same. Say whatever you like, but it is a historical fact that Europeans treated non-whites like savage primitives and not equals. Carrying on that ideology by continuing to spew the nonsense that we evolved from monkies and you might as well break out the white sheets and light up some crosses.</p>
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		<title>By: Dellu</title>
		<link>http://mythoughtworld.com/1015/evolution-a-black-and-white-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-14577</link>
		<dc:creator>Dellu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution is not racism; it is science and fact. I hate what people do in the name of Evolution, or motivated by Evolution. The racist application of the science doesn&#039;t make the science false.

@Troglodad: you are trying to play a &quot;win-win&quot; game; Evolution is either racist or false...implying that, either God is real or white people are more evolved. Neither of these claims are true. Go and read Richar Dawkin&#039;s book &quot;The Greatest Show on Earth&quot; if you want to see dozen of evidences for truthfulness of Evolution.
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As for &quot;lucy&quot;, she is from East Africa(from my country, Ethiopia). She is popular in the scientific community that her hip is some how a transition between human and other apes(evidence for  bi-pedal). But, she is not the mother of all human being.She is not a black lady either. She was clearly a monkey, if u like. There is no scientific evidence about her color:she could be a &quot;white monkey&quot;. There are many similar branches, contemporary to Lucy, still discovered in East Africa.The story is more complex than you claim. please read more about evolution before you make silly clams about it.
The evolution of color is very recent science; and the only explanation so far available is the exposure to sun light. you are white not because u evolve more, but because u live far from direct sun light/equator.
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the point is: you can use Evolution for racist purpose; but,this doesn&#039;t make God/gods real(only ancient mythologies, as in bible, make him real). I am a black guy who like to face the fact and live with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evolution is not racism; it is science and fact. I hate what people do in the name of Evolution, or motivated by Evolution. The racist application of the science doesn&#8217;t make the science false.</p>
<p>@Troglodad: you are trying to play a &#8220;win-win&#8221; game; Evolution is either racist or false&#8230;implying that, either God is real or white people are more evolved. Neither of these claims are true. Go and read Richar Dawkin&#8217;s book &#8220;The Greatest Show on Earth&#8221; if you want to see dozen of evidences for truthfulness of Evolution.<br />
&#8211;<br />
As for &#8220;lucy&#8221;, she is from East Africa(from my country, Ethiopia). She is popular in the scientific community that her hip is some how a transition between human and other apes(evidence for  bi-pedal). But, she is not the mother of all human being.She is not a black lady either. She was clearly a monkey, if u like. There is no scientific evidence about her color:she could be a &#8220;white monkey&#8221;. There are many similar branches, contemporary to Lucy, still discovered in East Africa.The story is more complex than you claim. please read more about evolution before you make silly clams about it.<br />
The evolution of color is very recent science; and the only explanation so far available is the exposure to sun light. you are white not because u evolve more, but because u live far from direct sun light/equator.<br />
&#8212;<br />
the point is: you can use Evolution for racist purpose; but,this doesn&#8217;t make God/gods real(only ancient mythologies, as in bible, make him real). I am a black guy who like to face the fact and live with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dev0l</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dev0l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution is political racism. . . period. Krao, Ota Benga, and Truganini, the last full-blood Black person in Tasmania. Its racism coupled with the &quot;RELIGIOUS&quot; concept of a bottom-up designer makes it &quot;POLITICALLY RACIST RELIGIOUS PANTHEISM&quot;. Its supporters &quot;RACIST RELIGIOUS PANTHEISTS&quot;. 
I understand evolution, and its weaknesses to those that are following Government Curriculum and not thinking for themselves . . . . you do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evolution is political racism. . . period. Krao, Ota Benga, and Truganini, the last full-blood Black person in Tasmania. Its racism coupled with the &#8220;RELIGIOUS&#8221; concept of a bottom-up designer makes it &#8220;POLITICALLY RACIST RELIGIOUS PANTHEISM&#8221;. Its supporters &#8220;RACIST RELIGIOUS PANTHEISTS&#8221;.<br />
I understand evolution, and its weaknesses to those that are following Government Curriculum and not thinking for themselves . . . . you do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Sandstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Sandstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you. I&#039;ve grown up in small towns and didn&#039;t see many black people, but the image given to me by the media had always made me nervous around one. And this includes BET, especially MTV. When watching BET I was thinking &quot;So this is what black people watch&quot; So I grew up thinking that most black people belonged in gangs, were opressed by white people and looking for revenge, etc etc. And I always saw the &quot;Missing Links&quot; with darker skin.... and I grew up being taught that religion was the main source of all racism.

But when I moved to a sort of mid-sized city, I made friends with some black people and got to know many people who belonged in a gang. To tell you the truth, most of my white friends were the ones who ended up joining a gang.

While in college I found many groups of people who didn&#039;t seem to have one black person in their circle of friends. I was hanging out with the Technology groupies. We all liked video games (like, not love). We would have LAN parties on occassion and to be honest, it was some of the most fun I&#039;ve had in a while. It was the people, not the game, that made it fun.

Ironic that most of us in our circle of friends believed in God. Or is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you. I&#8217;ve grown up in small towns and didn&#8217;t see many black people, but the image given to me by the media had always made me nervous around one. And this includes BET, especially MTV. When watching BET I was thinking &#8220;So this is what black people watch&#8221; So I grew up thinking that most black people belonged in gangs, were opressed by white people and looking for revenge, etc etc. And I always saw the &#8220;Missing Links&#8221; with darker skin&#8230;. and I grew up being taught that religion was the main source of all racism.</p>
<p>But when I moved to a sort of mid-sized city, I made friends with some black people and got to know many people who belonged in a gang. To tell you the truth, most of my white friends were the ones who ended up joining a gang.</p>
<p>While in college I found many groups of people who didn&#8217;t seem to have one black person in their circle of friends. I was hanging out with the Technology groupies. We all liked video games (like, not love). We would have LAN parties on occassion and to be honest, it was some of the most fun I&#8217;ve had in a while. It was the people, not the game, that made it fun.</p>
<p>Ironic that most of us in our circle of friends believed in God. Or is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron McClure Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron McClure Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 05:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies Trog...I have a weakness when it comes to pretentious &quot;intellectuals&quot; that believe that big words, round glasses, a beard and a pipe (generally tobacco wielding) somehow unlock the secrets to universally unanswered questions. I can&#039;t help myself.

One last comment on evolution, and then I promise to address your point: anyone that possesses the ability to think logically (even with no &quot;biology&quot; degree) can see that the mere foundation of scientific discovery rests wholly on the Scientific Method. However, Evolution has somehow been given a pass, and has erroneously (and intentionally in my opinion) been given the &quot;scientific&quot; stamp of approval.

To address your point: I say the &quot;scientific&quot; hoodwinkery in question may in part be a result of the &quot;white, bearded, round glasses wearing, &#039;pipe-smoking&#039;&quot; elitists&#039; wish to believe that they are the most highly &quot;evolved&quot; humans. I believe Hitler is a prime, however extreme, example. I would not purport that Darwinists inherently hold Hitler&#039;s warped view of humanity, but Hitler drew his deductions from the same logical path that you are currently bringing to light. After all, native Africans are still savages, right (sarcasm intended)? As Bob stated, “anyone who understands evolutionary biology [KNOWS]”...If only you and I could could &quot;evolve&quot; to that level of understanding. 

&quot;UNGA BUNGA!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies Trog&#8230;I have a weakness when it comes to pretentious &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; that believe that big words, round glasses, a beard and a pipe (generally tobacco wielding) somehow unlock the secrets to universally unanswered questions. I can&#8217;t help myself.</p>
<p>One last comment on evolution, and then I promise to address your point: anyone that possesses the ability to think logically (even with no &#8220;biology&#8221; degree) can see that the mere foundation of scientific discovery rests wholly on the Scientific Method. However, Evolution has somehow been given a pass, and has erroneously (and intentionally in my opinion) been given the &#8220;scientific&#8221; stamp of approval.</p>
<p>To address your point: I say the &#8220;scientific&#8221; hoodwinkery in question may in part be a result of the &#8220;white, bearded, round glasses wearing, &#8216;pipe-smoking&#8217;&#8221; elitists&#8217; wish to believe that they are the most highly &#8220;evolved&#8221; humans. I believe Hitler is a prime, however extreme, example. I would not purport that Darwinists inherently hold Hitler&#8217;s warped view of humanity, but Hitler drew his deductions from the same logical path that you are currently bringing to light. After all, native Africans are still savages, right (sarcasm intended)? As Bob stated, “anyone who understands evolutionary biology [KNOWS]”&#8230;If only you and I could could &#8220;evolve&#8221; to that level of understanding. </p>
<p>&#8220;UNGA BUNGA!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trog...you...you...uh, big dummy:) I didn&#039;t make it an issue; Bob did. And since he did (as every evolutionist considers it their solemn duty), I felt it was mine to point out the inanity of his supposition while simultaneously defending the fort. Nothing worse than a (fill in the blank) coming in and using the non-sequitur tack to proselytize our readership with whatever broken epistemology they happen to be peddling. 

But you&#039;re right; to quote Bob, as &quot;anyone who understands evolutionary biology knows,&quot; it is inherently racist. Bob takes the opposite position, which is laudable, but ultimately inconsistent with large scale evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trog&#8230;you&#8230;you&#8230;uh, big dummy:) I didn&#8217;t make it an issue; Bob did. And since he did (as every evolutionist considers it their solemn duty), I felt it was mine to point out the inanity of his supposition while simultaneously defending the fort. Nothing worse than a (fill in the blank) coming in and using the non-sequitur tack to proselytize our readership with whatever broken epistemology they happen to be peddling. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right; to quote Bob, as &#8220;anyone who understands evolutionary biology knows,&#8221; it is inherently racist. Bob takes the opposite position, which is laudable, but ultimately inconsistent with large scale evolution.</p>
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