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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Internet made IBOs completely irrelevant. Why do you need all these individual people to sell these products? You don&#039;t. Before you could kind of BS your way into saying direct marketing to people had a niche, but nowadays? Come on. If I want to order something I&#039;ll go to Amazon.com.

Amway isn&#039;t really interested in selling products. That&#039;s why they have all those rules about how to sell them. It&#039;s a giant scam to get people to buy in and pay ridiculous fees. That&#039;s how they make their money. I can&#039;t believe the FTC never found them to be a pyramid scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet made IBOs completely irrelevant. Why do you need all these individual people to sell these products? You don&#8217;t. Before you could kind of BS your way into saying direct marketing to people had a niche, but nowadays? Come on. If I want to order something I&#8217;ll go to Amazon.com.</p>
<p>Amway isn&#8217;t really interested in selling products. That&#8217;s why they have all those rules about how to sell them. It&#8217;s a giant scam to get people to buy in and pay ridiculous fees. That&#8217;s how they make their money. I can&#8217;t believe the FTC never found them to be a pyramid scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: DE5</title>
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		<dc:creator>DE5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The products Are indeed quite good. I do like &#039;em. I&#039;ve tried selling the products myself and didn&#039;t get anywhere. But I continued trying. Every month, I spend £100 on products cos that&#039;s the requirement for commission, which is 25% off. Oh so I spend £75-£80 a month. Still can&#039;t sell a lot of it. And we can&#039;t promote products using their brand names cos its against their rules. I tried selling them on ebay and I got a warning over the phone. So I still can&#039;t get them to sell. What should I do?
I feel like I&#039;ve wasted more money than earning money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The products Are indeed quite good. I do like &#8216;em. I&#8217;ve tried selling the products myself and didn&#8217;t get anywhere. But I continued trying. Every month, I spend £100 on products cos that&#8217;s the requirement for commission, which is 25% off. Oh so I spend £75-£80 a month. Still can&#8217;t sell a lot of it. And we can&#8217;t promote products using their brand names cos its against their rules. I tried selling them on ebay and I got a warning over the phone. So I still can&#8217;t get them to sell. What should I do?<br />
I feel like I&#8217;ve wasted more money than earning money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, you are right. Owning your own business is what built this country. But, Amway is a scam.   
   
If you are an IBO, what percentage of Amway stock do you hold? Hmmm. So do you really own your own business? No, you are a glorified door-to-door salesman -- of course, you front the overhead costs. There is a word for an economic system where there is a centralized control of business, where you are at the mercy of other people and have no say. That is called Communism, my friend.    
   
How do they manage to keep scamming people? Well, let&#039;s just say that I am a teacher, and I have asked dozens of 18-25 year-olds if they&#039;ve heard of Amway and only about two or three said yes. That&#039;s how, we don&#039;t teach our kids about history. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, you are right. Owning your own business is what built this country. But, Amway is a scam.   </p>
<p>If you are an IBO, what percentage of Amway stock do you hold? Hmmm. So do you really own your own business? No, you are a glorified door-to-door salesman &#8212; of course, you front the overhead costs. There is a word for an economic system where there is a centralized control of business, where you are at the mercy of other people and have no say. That is called Communism, my friend.    </p>
<p>How do they manage to keep scamming people? Well, let&#39;s just say that I am a teacher, and I have asked dozens of 18-25 year-olds if they&#39;ve heard of Amway and only about two or three said yes. That&#39;s how, we don&#39;t teach our kids about history.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..........but lately, I&#8217;ve started seeing TV commercials recruiting people to &#8220;own their own business.&#8221; Really? How can they still swindle people into buying into this old economic hoax?.........&quot; 
 
Owning your own business is an economic hoax?  I hope I&#039;m misunderstanding your statement. Owning your own business is what built this country. There are 27 million small businesses in the US that employ 80% of the workers.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.but lately, I&rsquo;ve started seeing TV commercials recruiting people to &ldquo;own their own business.&rdquo; Really? How can they still swindle people into buying into this old economic hoax?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&quot; </p>
<p>Owning your own business is an economic hoax?  I hope I&#039;m misunderstanding your statement. Owning your own business is what built this country. There are 27 million small businesses in the US that employ 80% of the workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross, yes, you can make some money selling some Amway products.  However, they are difficult to sell as retailers have the same or similar products which are much cheaper.  Even if you find and retain some customers, making a consistent income is hard.  Amway itself verifies that their products are primarily bought and consumed by their IBO&#039;s and not to outsiders.  You also have restrictions on advertising and thus selling by word of mouth, one on one is very inefficient and time consuming.  It is much easier to find a job to earn a consistent income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross, yes, you can make some money selling some Amway products.  However, they are difficult to sell as retailers have the same or similar products which are much cheaper.  Even if you find and retain some customers, making a consistent income is hard.  Amway itself verifies that their products are primarily bought and consumed by their IBO&#8217;s and not to outsiders.  You also have restrictions on advertising and thus selling by word of mouth, one on one is very inefficient and time consuming.  It is much easier to find a job to earn a consistent income.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 14:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry folks, but clearly you have not researched before commenting. For under $100 anyone can start a business of their own selling Amway sourced products. The list of choices (all included in the sign up fee) is simply overwhelming.  Nutrilite (#1 in the World), Artistry (a better choice than Avon or Mary Kay), Ribbon Gift Cards (a market simply not open to independant businesses), Water filter systems, home air filtration systems,..etc.etc. 

You never have to sell a single product to family to earn incomes starting at $16,470 a year.  Is it easy..NO, but if someone worked 20 hours a week they are &quot;almost&quot; assured success.

No one starting an Amway business should even consider, downlines, sponsoring, tools, etc.  That is irrelevant to building your own direct sales business.

Look people need to buy their vitamins, cosmetics, Health friendly cleaning products, gift cards, etc.,somewhere!  The products are competitively priced so what&#039;s the problem.

I have a person who was working in a donut shop for 40 hours a week being treated like crap who now makes the same income selling Artistry cosmetics with NO downline.

Clearly a person needs to be intelligent enough to seek guidance and help in starting thier business.  But that help should cost NOTHING!

For 100 bucks they even give you 4 personally branded websites including hosting and ecommerce for the year.

What am I missing.  If someone wants $300,000 a year go elsewhere but for $16,000 t0 $120,000 this is a great business model with no restrictions.

Rare in yesterday&#039;s world and rarer still in today&#039;s.

Regards
Ross
yes, I do offer amway products as an additional source of income in my business!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry folks, but clearly you have not researched before commenting. For under $100 anyone can start a business of their own selling Amway sourced products. The list of choices (all included in the sign up fee) is simply overwhelming.  Nutrilite (#1 in the World), Artistry (a better choice than Avon or Mary Kay), Ribbon Gift Cards (a market simply not open to independant businesses), Water filter systems, home air filtration systems,..etc.etc. </p>
<p>You never have to sell a single product to family to earn incomes starting at $16,470 a year.  Is it easy..NO, but if someone worked 20 hours a week they are &#8220;almost&#8221; assured success.</p>
<p>No one starting an Amway business should even consider, downlines, sponsoring, tools, etc.  That is irrelevant to building your own direct sales business.</p>
<p>Look people need to buy their vitamins, cosmetics, Health friendly cleaning products, gift cards, etc.,somewhere!  The products are competitively priced so what&#8217;s the problem.</p>
<p>I have a person who was working in a donut shop for 40 hours a week being treated like crap who now makes the same income selling Artistry cosmetics with NO downline.</p>
<p>Clearly a person needs to be intelligent enough to seek guidance and help in starting thier business.  But that help should cost NOTHING!</p>
<p>For 100 bucks they even give you 4 personally branded websites including hosting and ecommerce for the year.</p>
<p>What am I missing.  If someone wants $300,000 a year go elsewhere but for $16,000 t0 $120,000 this is a great business model with no restrictions.</p>
<p>Rare in yesterday&#8217;s world and rarer still in today&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Ross<br />
yes, I do offer amway products as an additional source of income in my business!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 06:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No , Ron that&#039;s like me cooking for real !!! I can grill and fry fish, etc... but the baking is ........well, not my forte. 

I am not picking a fight.......just, well, you don&#039;t see the point I am trying to make and well.......it is what it is. I &quot;know&quot; about mutual funds and the &quot;investing&quot; aspect, etc... and just seem to come to the conclusion that you don&#039;t know &quot;WHAT ELSE&quot; I know. (the opposing side I take that you don&#039;t understand). Like my wonderful dealings with Realty and what was once offered to me. It&#039;s not &quot;what&quot; was offered but the &quot;how&quot; it was offered, on top of the several dealings that took place. This same &quot;offer&quot; is part of why so much of the housing market is where it is......builders bankrupt (and not paying their debt), banks in the &quot;red&quot;, people&#039;s home values worth less than they were &quot;convinced&quot; to buy them for . 

In the &quot;market&quot; no you don&#039;t have to sell, but if you bought at $3.68/share and are holding at $1.29 (you do the math on a daily-rate) until it bumps back up......well, guess I should be controlling my own investments instead of somebody else? Well, I say that considering they are still making profits ...(on my loss?) and the well........this needs to be reserved for somewhere else.

I&#039;ll just say it anyways...you are right, &quot;investing&quot; is not quite the same as a Ponzi scheme. Ponzi is illegal, but &quot;investment&quot; plans are legally designed ; today we are seeing the bad effects of &quot;investing&quot; (for the little guy). But , you know Ron, just like our National Government Officials, when their &quot;Chief&quot; calls for all to sacrifice to get thru these hard times......will they get a cost-of-living increase this year? They have &quot;earned&quot; it I suppose, Dem and Rep alike, all the same, all the same as the Corporations and Brokerage firms who still make hay while your stocks &quot;tank&quot;. How does that figure out? 
Maybe the same as you did not answer how Goldman Sachs could rationally recover so quickly from their default. They can &quot;sell&quot; it to you, but will you buy it ? 
Trog got real close, reeeeeeeaaaaalllllllll close. 
He seems kinda simple and meat-n-taters like me. But, he too, is smarter than he &quot;appears&quot; .........seems what the &quot;world&quot; wants and likes doesn&#039;t always adhere to what I want and like. And when it comes to money, well I am either rich or poor, depends on how you look at it. 
   Ferocious? Well.....just a little, I am fed up but.....if you want a fight, I&#039;ll pick it, just don&#039;t hurt me...I bruise.:)
I would hate to bruise all over you :) :) 

In all seriousness, politics and &quot;current events&quot; is not what I am about. It&#039;s &quot;relevent&quot; just not important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No , Ron that&#8217;s like me cooking for real !!! I can grill and fry fish, etc&#8230; but the baking is &#8230;&#8230;..well, not my forte. </p>
<p>I am not picking a fight&#8230;&#8230;.just, well, you don&#8217;t see the point I am trying to make and well&#8230;&#8230;.it is what it is. I &#8220;know&#8221; about mutual funds and the &#8220;investing&#8221; aspect, etc&#8230; and just seem to come to the conclusion that you don&#8217;t know &#8220;WHAT ELSE&#8221; I know. (the opposing side I take that you don&#8217;t understand). Like my wonderful dealings with Realty and what was once offered to me. It&#8217;s not &#8220;what&#8221; was offered but the &#8220;how&#8221; it was offered, on top of the several dealings that took place. This same &#8220;offer&#8221; is part of why so much of the housing market is where it is&#8230;&#8230;builders bankrupt (and not paying their debt), banks in the &#8220;red&#8221;, people&#8217;s home values worth less than they were &#8220;convinced&#8221; to buy them for . </p>
<p>In the &#8220;market&#8221; no you don&#8217;t have to sell, but if you bought at $3.68/share and are holding at $1.29 (you do the math on a daily-rate) until it bumps back up&#8230;&#8230;well, guess I should be controlling my own investments instead of somebody else? Well, I say that considering they are still making profits &#8230;(on my loss?) and the well&#8230;&#8230;..this needs to be reserved for somewhere else.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just say it anyways&#8230;you are right, &#8220;investing&#8221; is not quite the same as a Ponzi scheme. Ponzi is illegal, but &#8220;investment&#8221; plans are legally designed ; today we are seeing the bad effects of &#8220;investing&#8221; (for the little guy). But , you know Ron, just like our National Government Officials, when their &#8220;Chief&#8221; calls for all to sacrifice to get thru these hard times&#8230;&#8230;will they get a cost-of-living increase this year? They have &#8220;earned&#8221; it I suppose, Dem and Rep alike, all the same, all the same as the Corporations and Brokerage firms who still make hay while your stocks &#8220;tank&#8221;. How does that figure out?<br />
Maybe the same as you did not answer how Goldman Sachs could rationally recover so quickly from their default. They can &#8220;sell&#8221; it to you, but will you buy it ?<br />
Trog got real close, reeeeeeeaaaaalllllllll close.<br />
He seems kinda simple and meat-n-taters like me. But, he too, is smarter than he &#8220;appears&#8221; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;seems what the &#8220;world&#8221; wants and likes doesn&#8217;t always adhere to what I want and like. And when it comes to money, well I am either rich or poor, depends on how you look at it.<br />
   Ferocious? Well&#8230;..just a little, I am fed up but&#8230;..if you want a fight, I&#8217;ll pick it, just don&#8217;t hurt me&#8230;I bruise.:)<br />
I would hate to bruise all over you <img src='http://mythoughtworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://mythoughtworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>In all seriousness, politics and &#8220;current events&#8221; is not what I am about. It&#8217;s &#8220;relevent&#8221; just not important.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron McClure Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron McClure Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trog, you&#039;re such a caveman.

The market is not a scam. If anyone buys and sells on a regular basis, without real knowledge, then they are just stupid. They&#039;re not being scammed. 

That&#039;s like saying cooking is a scam, because when I put a cake in the oven and take it out 5 minutes later, it&#039;s all gooey and stuff. Damn Betty Crocker, scamming me out of my money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trog, you&#8217;re such a caveman.</p>
<p>The market is not a scam. If anyone buys and sells on a regular basis, without real knowledge, then they are just stupid. They&#8217;re not being scammed. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying cooking is a scam, because when I put a cake in the oven and take it out 5 minutes later, it&#8217;s all gooey and stuff. Damn Betty Crocker, scamming me out of my money!</p>
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		<title>By: Troglodad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troglodad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree a little with everyone. Amway and the stock market are a long ways apart. But I agree they are both scams. The markey is just legal...

In the Amway scam, you are convinced/brainwashed that you will make money selling their product, and people you recruit will make money selling their product. However, Amway knows that the real profit is from signing all those suckers up to buy product to sell. Whether they sell or not is moot; Amway has made its money.

On the stock market, folks are convinced they can buy low and sell high. But that clearly can&#039;t work for everyone. And since the stock brokers get a commission, they make money whether you win or lose. True, they make mor if you do, but their meat and potatos comes from the constant buying and selling as stocks jump around from owner to owner. 

Both schemes are reprehensible. In btoh cases, the mark, sorry, consumer, is convinced that they will make a profit. Instead, they should be firmly educated that any investment is just gambling. 

On yet another hand though, if you buy stock, don&#039;t you see a little return if the company posts profits? And even if you do have a closet full of Amway crap, it&#039;s tangible goods that you yourself could use. 

Other scams leave you with nothing. Like the lottery check scam. Or the classic Nigerian 419 scam. Both of these scams promise you something and deliver nothing. 

Hey, wait a minute. That sounds like the current Federal Administration! I Hope they leave me some Change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree a little with everyone. Amway and the stock market are a long ways apart. But I agree they are both scams. The markey is just legal&#8230;</p>
<p>In the Amway scam, you are convinced/brainwashed that you will make money selling their product, and people you recruit will make money selling their product. However, Amway knows that the real profit is from signing all those suckers up to buy product to sell. Whether they sell or not is moot; Amway has made its money.</p>
<p>On the stock market, folks are convinced they can buy low and sell high. But that clearly can&#8217;t work for everyone. And since the stock brokers get a commission, they make money whether you win or lose. True, they make mor if you do, but their meat and potatos comes from the constant buying and selling as stocks jump around from owner to owner. </p>
<p>Both schemes are reprehensible. In btoh cases, the mark, sorry, consumer, is convinced that they will make a profit. Instead, they should be firmly educated that any investment is just gambling. </p>
<p>On yet another hand though, if you buy stock, don&#8217;t you see a little return if the company posts profits? And even if you do have a closet full of Amway crap, it&#8217;s tangible goods that you yourself could use. </p>
<p>Other scams leave you with nothing. Like the lottery check scam. Or the classic Nigerian 419 scam. Both of these scams promise you something and deliver nothing. </p>
<p>Hey, wait a minute. That sounds like the current Federal Administration! I Hope they leave me some Change!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you invest, the stock may go up and down yes.  Thus the term &quot;buy low and sell high&quot;.  Right now, the economic downturn has hurt 401K balances.  But there are some investors who see this as an opportunity.  Buy in now and more than likely, the stock market will recover in a few years.  Even if the stock goes down, as Ron said, you can still sell it for something.   

The Amwat business is like a ponzi scheme because thousands or maybe millions of suckers join, &quot;invest&quot; their time and money and it is mathematically impossible for more than a few of them to prosper unless they in turn recruit many many more suckers. If you were not one of the lucky few who made money, there is nothing you can &quot;sell off&quot; to recoup any cash.  

All you have left is a bad experience.  That is why Amway has a lousy reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you invest, the stock may go up and down yes.  Thus the term &#8220;buy low and sell high&#8221;.  Right now, the economic downturn has hurt 401K balances.  But there are some investors who see this as an opportunity.  Buy in now and more than likely, the stock market will recover in a few years.  Even if the stock goes down, as Ron said, you can still sell it for something.   </p>
<p>The Amwat business is like a ponzi scheme because thousands or maybe millions of suckers join, &#8220;invest&#8221; their time and money and it is mathematically impossible for more than a few of them to prosper unless they in turn recruit many many more suckers. If you were not one of the lucky few who made money, there is nothing you can &#8220;sell off&#8221; to recoup any cash.  </p>
<p>All you have left is a bad experience.  That is why Amway has a lousy reputation.</p>
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