THOR’S DAY RANT: Children should be watched and herded!
So, I was with my kids at our annual Thunder Over Louisville outing, camping on the top of a parking garage with hundreds of other families, watching the festivities. And, I had a visitor.
Lots of visitors, actually. Little ones.
Little dirty-faced kids that looked like they’d been hugging tires from all the black filth on them. Some had shoes, some even had clean shirts. But, each of those visitors had one thing in common. Their parents were nowhere to be seen.
Some have called me over-protective of my own children. I have this silly habit of never letting my kids out of my sight when we leave the boundaries of our home. I watch them carefully and hover in the background in case something were to happen. They are girls, ages 3 and 9.
I remember when I was a kid, my mother would shove me out the door with a bottle opener and a carton of 16 oz. coke bottles. Then, she’d lock me outside and return to her bed to sleep off another hangover from whatever debauchery she had been involved in the night before. Ah, those were the days. Those hot summers with nothing to do but watch my cokes get warm in the sun, all the while thinking about my marvelous toys and air conditioning inside. And of course, my better parent, TV — beckoning me with it’s four channels of VHF/UHF goodness. Good times, good times.
I’ll admit, I didn’t get abducted by strangers when I was a neglected child. I didn’t ingest any poison or try my hand at rattlesnake wrasslin.’ I didn’t resort to criminal mischief either. It was a pretty dull summer life I led — me, my bottle opener and my cokes.
But times have changed.
Where once you could let/make your kids play outside all day, unsupervised, our modern world is a tad different. For one, there’s the wild animals. Honest-to-goodness animals. Cougars, Mountain Lions, and other varmints are actually making a comeback in many States after years of libtarded, treehuggy over-”conservation.” Sadly, I wonder how many missing kids actually were meals for wildlife returning to live alongside man once more.
Just because it’s the twenty-first century doesn’t mean your child can’t be plucked from a riverbank by a crocodile or swallowed by some huge snake. I know, no predators like that in the U.S., but there are predators.
There’s the animals in our neighborhoods; the perverts, pornographers and pedophiles that dream unspeakable dreams and do unthinkable things, and they are in your neighborhood. You may not have to worry about mountain lions, but try checking out your own neighborhood on a national sex offender website. If you dare.
My point is that children don’t pop out of the womb with a voter registration card in one hand and a union card in the other, ready to trundle off to work. They aren’t like cattle, ready to fend for themselves. They actually require a good many years before they are able to fend for themselves. It’s during these years that children need to be fed, nurtured and yes, protected.
Letting your child roam free at an event full of hundreds of strangers, broad daylight or not, is not good parenting.
It’s also quite rude.
Here I am, feeding my kids snacks that I was smart enough ahead of time to bring along. Or watching them color with chalk I packed for the trip, knowing there would be this big expanse of concrete for them to draw on. And, your rugrat wanders over, looking for some attention. Like the undead, they stare at me. Are they licking their lips because they smell br-ains? Or because they haven’t been fed for hours? Should I not tell them to put my kids’ toys down before they wander off with them?
Keep your kids to yourself, please. You don’t know me. You don’t know any of the strangers that show up for Thunder Over Louisville. “Stranger” used to mean something. We used to tell children to avoid strangers. Now too many of you are letting strangers play babysitter.
Slackers. That’s what you are.
You sit their cackling with your friends, drinking your booze or rotting your lungs with cancer sticks, while your kids run rampant. Sheep get more attention than your kids do. Do you really think of an Air Show and fireworks as adult entertainment? Did you come for you or them? Is your child that much of an inconvenience? I guess you couldn’t afford a babysitter, because that might cut into your beer money.
If you don’t want your kids, put them up for adoption. They’d have a better chance in a foster home or orphanage. At least there, they get to stay inside and someone watches over them.
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My two favorite lines: "Keep your kids to yourself, please," and "Like the undead, they stare at me.":D
Trog.
Remind me to never ask you to babysit
Hey, I love kids- right until they grow up and turn into adults.
Trog, pardon me, if I get too personal, but after reading your spiel your primitive dweller persona just got bested by a head on his shoulders, heart in his hand, nonsensical kind of guy!
All those summers "doing coke" in the sun paid off, really well.
With mother's day fast approaching, reach out and call "someone."
I don’t think they have payphones on street corners… (rimshot!)
After reading my article why on Earth would you think I would want anything to do with such a horrible parent- even if it’s my own.
Clearly you aren’t tough enough yet, Jordan. I’m afraid we’re going to have to revoke your honorary cave priviledges for awhile.
Why can't I see my comment or Trog's ?
At any rate, Trog, in response to your query, "Why would you think…."? There's no denying her complete lack of parental skills . Nonetheless, wouldn't you concur the terrible experience you underwent helped create the dad you are today.
As for revoking my priviledges, I say, let's put it to a vote, you Stone Age dweller.
No, I wouldn’t say that. Terrible experiences don’t make you better. Smashing my hand with a hammer wouldn’t grant me magical piano-playing powers.
People are better because they choose to be. You don’t have to see something bad to know what bad is.
Man, Trog, …………..hardcore!!!!!!!
You are pretty much right, but damn……..so harsh ? as Pelosi says that's "un-American".
I'll just say I am glad I don't have kids that young now, well the granbaby my wife will kill for so ole Dave's got it made. No one wants to Mess With the Susan.
The more she talks, the smarter she gets……."Jordan" …..I like her, and don't even know her.
In the instance of an impressionable child, or a less-than-strong individual I am with you.
Terrible experiences in and of themselves do not make anyone better. It is the reasons we attach to those experience, and the outlook that grows out of that process that can [however] empower or crush us.
Far from me to make light of your unfortunate childhood, but wouldn't you say that it has, perhaps indirectly, helped you choose to be a caring, thoughtful and involved father to your children?
M-power? The only M-power in my vocabulary is the energy I get from beef products; cheeseburgers, steaks, jerky, etc. MEAT Power.
Caring? Thoughtful? Why do you keep insisting on trying to make me sound like some kind of new-age sissy, Jordan? What did I ever do yo you? Geez…
Bad experiences didn’t help me become a better person. Reading a Bible, going to school, associating with the right kind of people, and the choices I made, made me the person I am. Again, bad doesn’t produce good.
"M-power?" ….What is that?!?
Ok, Trog, mine was the idea that "bad stuff" can help people see and appreciate things they probably wouldn’t, if everything was a rose-garden (oops, sorry for the feminine picture).
I accept your take that “reading a Bible, going to school, associating with the right kind of people, and the choices you made, made me the person I am.” Besides, I support it and think, it’s the best plan.
As for portraying you as effeminate, you pegged me wrong. I have no qualms with you. Otoh, could you learn to accept a genuine compliment?
Cutting through all the possibilities, the way I see it, men can be divided in three major categories.
1. The Jerk (macho, rude, obnoxious. His wants come first and last. Even after he picks a wife and a family. He thinks the world revolves around him, women should be seen and not heard. He is blatantly disrespectful and a menace to society)
2. The “Gentle one” (The type who wants to emulate your girlfriend and “loves” shopping more than you do; who believes that appeasement = peace and that our military is blood-thirsty. In brief, most liberals)
3. This is the “Manly-Man” as Dave put it. No, not me. He is tough, decisive, a bit irritating at times. Knows his role is not defined by society, but God. He is not afraid to stand up for what is right, protects his family, helps is neighbor and shows affection to his wife and children).
I think you know where you belong. How about burying that hatchet ?
Ignore previous Q. Got the "M-power."
Bury a perfectly good tool!? Preposterous! Only a chick would think of that!
And I disagree on your man-types. I break men into 3 categories of Sissy, Regular Joe and Caveman.
Jerk isn't a class by itself, it's a subjective. Some chicks would no doubt find me a jerk, my wife included. Some chicks might really dig the bahvior others revile.
Your "Gentle One", well that's a sissy. Blagh.
And finally, as to your manly-man classification, he can't be a manly man if he shows affection. That's girly. The manly-man would feel "fondness" for a loved one. Affection is a girly word. Like skirt. Men wear kilts, women wear kilts.
Whew, all this touchy-feely stuff is making the hairs raise on the back of my toe knuckles. I need to go immerse myself in some military channel, beef jerky and coke from a can (Pepsi in a glass being for girls)!
And just to clarify…
"Soft drink" ? I know, doesn't sound manly at all. Especially with a name like "Pepsi". Do you get peppy from pepsi?
But remember, "soft" drinks contain carbonic ACID. That's right, ACID- like the blood of Alien Xenomorphs. Stuff that can eat the rust off nails.
And if you drink acid from a metal can capable of slicing your lip open, named after the hot metal from a foundry (Coke), well, that's pretty damned manly!
In case, it went Waaay over your skull, I said " the way I see it" which apparently doesn't match the way you see it." Vive la difference!
No kidding it's subjective. I didn't put out a biblical treatise, merely my vantage point.. Sure, some hate what others like. But you (generally speaking) can still be a jerk.
"Fondness", FYI as per Webster is defined as "Tender Affection." HAhahaha
Your fondness and my affection is a distinction without difference.
Trog, go jump in the lake….and that hatchet with you!
Incidentally, I drink Coke!
Mary-am-webster? You’re using that definition? Mary Am Webster sounds like a confused drag queen.
Dictionary.com uses a different definition, number 4 on the list of possible meanings is:
“a liking or weakness for something”
That’s the manly use of Fondness. The only acceptable use of “tender” is chicken nuggets. As in: “We were out of meatballs, so I had spaghetti with chicken tenders, smothered in velveeta cubes and tomato sauce for dinner.”
And you….think THAT explanation is more "manly."
Has it occurred to you, that the more you trifle, the less you make your point…being that you are smarter than me?!
Since I "can't read all the comments"………nor retrieve my own……….well ………
Is that Manly-man me ? I pegged it for you. Tough, decisive……..and the rest. Reason I said I was "starting to like you". Seems you are more like my wife………but, you'd have to know her.
Regardless, and tho' I am not a Cave member, nor a "true" manly-man as you defined it (great def) ………that's the purpose: to be tough as nails, yet gentle as a lamb. The real "manly-man" knows when to be what kind of "manly-man".
Shrewd as the serpent; innocent as the dove. You are "right" alot but I can't say that cause I'm a "manly-man". Oops, that the idea of a manly-man.
What category are you, from the feminist perspective to a shadowy figure ?
I am curious Trog, if a person not affiliated with a life of "good choices" , reading the Bible, assoc. w/ the good folk, going to school, etc…etc… became a good Samaritan based upon the fact he/she learned from all the negative crap that happened in his/her life and became a great and wonderful person with awesome Christian values………does that make them non-existent in reality?
I am wondering if the "M" in M-power does not stand for "Men" or "Meat" , but better qualifies as "Me".
Not everyone in life actually had the luxury to have their worst childhood experience sitting on the porch outside drinking a Pepsi/ Coke or whatever. That makes me a wishy-washy guy ? No, just in tune with reality, the world outside of my "circle".
Wrong or not, who are you to even condemn ?
Bad experiences have definitely shaped and formed my being. It is the Grace of God that created me today, Amazing Grace…………………not a life of religious and political and social correctness.
Just thought you should know…..oh yeah, sharing it with you.
In my estimation a real man (Manly-man) is not afraid to open up when needed. Being a man doesn't obliterate feelings. Guys are not meant to think and feel like women [thank God] but it's a plus when they attempt to understand the other side.
Today's feminist movement has nothing in common with the original feminists who fought for equal rights, and valued the life of the unborn.
God made us different for a reason and those differences are intended to complement each other. To pretend they don't exist brings us to the overturn of society. The homosexual movement is a big reflection of that.
I feel sick when I see people of the same gender talk of "loving each other." There's a word for that and it ain't love.
Highly regard any man who is secure with his masculinity and doesn't feel threatened by the women in his life (mother, wife, sisters, girlfriend), or pitching in what are typical women's jobs.
I don't get those on my side bent on bashing men. Lots of messed up women.
I am a pro-lifer, support traditional marriage, don't believe women should serve in combat. My equality is God-given, therefore I don't feel the need to compete with men.
Hope that answer your curiosity.
Trog wrote: Like skirt. Men wear kilts, women wear kilts.
Did you mean to say women wear skirts?
I wouldn’t say a manly-man is the ideal. It’s the ooposite of the girly-man. Both are too far to one extreme or the other. So a manly-man would never admit to any affection, or being gentle or any of that sissy crap.
What category am I regarding feminist? I’m a chauvinist, baby. I believe men have their place and so do women. To the bra-burners I am a dinosaur they’d like to make extinct. I don’t think women are garbage or anything, but I think we all have roles we damn well better play, whether we like it or not.
People find it very easy to blame someone else for their choices. Like criminals who had a bad childhood. But YOU make YOU, no one else.
Conversely, you can’t use bad experiences to explain greatness. That’s taking away from the accomplishment and choices a person makes. Like telling the winner of a race they won because the other runners were slow.
Who am I to condemn? Man, we clearly need to improve the site if you missed that this is an opinion blog….
Whoa- let’s not confuse real man with manly-man. A manly-man is the uberman. He’s more than a real man- and not always in a good way.
You’re right on about modern feminazis. What a disgrace to all the hard work the Sufferage movement did, trying to get equality, and now they want to turn us into some Dominatrix, Xena, Amazon culture.
Yup- fixed it.
Trog to Dave:
What category am I regarding feminist? I\'m a chauvinist, baby
C & Q to Trog.
Didn't realize you nurture a certain "fondness" for Dave. Is that how a real man talks to a buddy?
Trog,
I had no intention to explain greatness via bad experiences. I do think (as Dave seems to agree) that bad experiences can become valuable tools (if we let them) to help us get beyond whatever obstacle we face, at any particular time. Unlike, the prevalent p.c. mentality that believes if you are wronged, or if something terrible happens to you, THEN you become a victim in need of coddling and smothering. As long as one remains in the "victimhood" status, he/she cannot heal and move forward.
Being that humans come in all varieties, they also approach and to deal with suffering, losses and set-backs in different ways.
The fact that you didn't allow the negative circumstance of your earlier years turn you into a loser (be it a 'victim' or a monster), proves that the bad stuff that happens to us, need not define who we are.
Does it make sense?
For instance, "well-intentioned" activists who regularly harp that certain groups/minorities (women, Hispanics, illegals, homosexuals…and the list goes on) are "victims" are actually victimizing them via exploitation. The best way to help people move beyond whatever tragedy they experienced is to empower (that word again) with the tools and let them do the work.
If I may. I'd like to butt in on the "condemnation" point.
so until he will explain exactly what he meant, take a deep breath. I have not been offended by anything you wrote. Hope the feeling is mutual.
Can't speak for Dave, BUT I surmise he might have felt you were a bit too hard on me (being a woman and all….
Nothing I’ve seen on this Blog could be offensive as Maobama. I’m good. Only a sissy would run crying home to Momma after some comments on this blog.
Okay guys, since I figured this damn forum-thing out…….
You 2 can agree or disagree but I believe some are "destined" by God's Grace to psychologically overcome the abuses of their lives. Some are not. Most of it is controlled by the life that they "choose" after said situations…….but inheritantly (sp?) the desire or "choice" to be better than the BS they grew up under is built into the person. They have to CHOOSE !!! So, who creates that desire to make them choose ?
Trog, I myself for many years blamed "people" for my many many mistakes. Their rearing of me instilled a vast emptiness in my soul and an anger I could not control. But, you know what, for me personally, I experienced certain "strange phenomena" , unexplained things that led me to the path I am on now. What if the "Joe" in a similar situation never sees that "light" ? Am I just a friek of nature or is it a destiny-type venture? I am not really sure either, just logically premise with the brain God gave me.
Now there are most who just flat out don't care, and I believe it is a "destiny" thing. You could hold the moon in your hand and they would swear it is the sun. Is it? Or do they just not comprehend reality, kinda' like the purpose of this blog versus the ignorance of peoples out there? They will never ever "choose" to do right and I can't help but wonder why ? I did, and you did, because you and I don't want to live or have our kids live like the crap we had to endure. WE WANT MORE ! But, the only real issue is where that desire comes from ?
My friend, I personally NEED my bad experiences in memory to keep me on the greater path of life. It is because of them that you and I have chosen to be better………but back to previous question .
I'll share this…….life was not always bad, but never easy and too many times physically and mentally over the edge. One day on my dad's porch, he asked me how we 3 kids turned out so good "if it was so bad". I looked him in the eye and said it was by the Grace of God. HE LAUGHED AT ME !!!!!!!!! (he is a "Christian"-church-going man) and his attitude has not changed in the last 20 years.
Lastly my "condemnation" comment only goes towards an "attitude" when one chooses to be in a public place …you know out in the world where the wolves dwell………..10 years from now if you had made a really derogatory comment to one of them and from that instilled in their head they became a murderer……would you carry blame ? That's the hardest thing (for me) is to Love my Enemy……..and these people you speak of Trog, are the Enemy to social reform.
Jesus DID NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!! show anger and hatred towards the ignorant , sinful masses…………..He showed it towards the ones who KNEW BETTER !!!.
SEE # 2 wherever it landed.
#2 as my reply was too long…….good luck…
Jordan, you just kill me, you say what I can't say in elequent terms.
They can sue me if they want, but the "Black Nation" just needs to get over themselves……..Reparations is still an ongoing battle……the white man is to blame………maybe that was true years ago, but today those people just will not get over it. That's why the "white" man sponsors and funds their racist leaders, provides them with homes (they destroy) , and let them ruin all of our kids lives with their rap and hip-hop "so-called" music, along with the crime and drugs and …..well we all know.
My point is, yes they choose to stay in the "victimhood" status, because we white folk foot the bill to appease them instead of really help them get out of that M.O. Now are they choosing DESPITE !!! the call to change from their circumstance, or are they just not "destined" to change how they grew up ? Hey, a FREE ride is a free ride, thank the white politicians who created it, not blame the black victoms of said circumstance.
I feel like Trog got "over" the stage of the problem-life to where he can choose to be better…………but the "forgiveness" aspect where one can say hey, don't sweat the small shit and realize in the grand scope of things it's all small shit. It took me to almost 40 to get there.
I agree Jordan about "victim" exploitation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again my point on the "condemnation" is concern about how, when and if Trog will let his "issues" spill over into public. Has nothing at all to do with Jordan.
I will sum that point up with one simple comment……Cast not your pearls before the swine……..
You know the "rest of the story" , but fail to understand that "they" own the world………you go into THEIR realm and then …as I stated "condemn".
I hope I clarified myself better. I hope you understand what I mean and if not………..I give my word to "make it right". I do not intend to be offensive (and I know I can be that) but this is in a forum of "like-minded" peoples. I feel your pain, whether you believe it or not. I just "learned" to subdue those passions and see things in a different light.
For both of you, I claim "greatness" in my simplistic life, as you directly relate it to bad experiences. For me, if not for them I would not have the will and desire to go beyond them. If you only knew the "inner" thoughts of what I say……you could easily agree. I cannot be the only one out there…so yes, I believe "greatness" can be achieved by bad experiences. Maybe not "worldy" success, fast cars, fast women, huge bank accounts……….when we all die we will be stripped of these "things" and stand naked and generic……….like the shadowy avatar.
Will you be a sheep or a goat ? Doesn't matter how "you or I" proclaim a definition of that………..it matters how He judges you that day.
Oh yeah, Trog………..no sissies on this blog !!! Evidently, only people who care.
It took me a few to actually find this response, but I needed to go into "my own space" to respond correctly.
I cannot find any fault in what you stated.
This may not be the "Manly-Man" …..(why I said I don't fit the category: per se)
I believe in what you believe in , well…… what you stated. Men are arrogant bashers of anything and anyone "threatening" to what they desire. Woman was created to be his "helpmate" and not subordinant figure. This feminine abuse is what created the ER movement, thus leading to women activism, thus leading to the problems of today.
No, most men will not look past their nose to see the truth………it is hidden behind a mirage of "religion" that ……..well, they just recently have admitted that Mary M was INDEED NOT A PROSTITUTE. Doesn't mean Dan Brown is correct, just says the "same old way" of things ain't necessarily right. People, men especially, need to think for themselves without the influence of "higher powers".
I was once a woman basher and abuser. I have learned that my wife wants me to be the "strong and masculine figure"………..just drop the abusive He-Man crap. Since we started to work together, 50/50 in chores and decisions and R-E-S-P-E-C-T……..our marriage has flourished.
Jealousy has become old hat, I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is trust, both ways……….besides she said she was "bitchy" 'cause she thought I was over-bearing, cheating and well…….feeling the same fears and threats that I was.
Just a funny to add = what if Eve went out into the "forbidden" area because she just had to get away from Adam's constant masculinity ? Many believe Eve was the "sinner" , I believe Adam abused the gift God gave him and pushed her into "sin".
I have been "enlightened" by God's Grace and experience……..that has overshadowed all the BS I was brainwashed with.
Your final sentence is the best, and sums up the racial issues……I pray that all women may learn what you profess……….even and greater still = all men.
You, Jordan , have earned my R-E-S-P-E-C-T !!!
I may not be found "worthy" of any Cave (after these comments) or any social club…….whatever, but I am and have been member of a few…………just don't adhere to many said policies. I don't "need" them……..I just need to be me. I am glad you are who you are and are not bashful about saying it…….the "women's movement" NEEDS women like you………Manly-Man = generic term !
Nurture? What is this word of which you speak? I can't find it on any of the walls in my cave…
I'm not just a real man, by the way, I'm a CAVEman.
Not to start a Bible argument, but I don't think Jesus was laughing when he found those gamblers in the temple… You can be angry at your kids and still love them.
(This response was supposed to follow Dave's comment, where he mentioned, Eve, Mary M, and me.
That comment is hidden to me, so I hope this makes sense, mostly to him. I also think when I refreshed the page, I may have unintentionally posted it in Ron's thread, "Excuse me, would you stop hating us…" Feel free to delete it from where it doesn't belong. Thanks).
Dave,
If' it's all the same to you, I'd like to address two of your statements, first.
1. Mary Magadalene was not a prostitute
The Bible clearly asserts that Mary M. was indeed a prostitute. In the event of contrasting opinions, I take His word over anyone else's interpretation.
2. Eve's actions were a result of her husband's behavior.
Adam and Eve lived in a perfect world, enjoying a perfect relationship with God and each other. They lost it all, when first Eve and then Adam chose to disobey their Creator. That initial disobedience brought sin into the world and through it alienation from God, suffering and pain.
It's convenient for some women to blame it on the men, but truth is we each have to shoulder our own portion of blame.
The religious mindset will always point to sin in another's life, failing to recognize we are all sinners, who require saving by the Grace of God.
As Jesus said, He didn't come to save the "righteous," but those who are lost.
Each of us possesses a vacuum that only God can fill, and until we get to that point of realization we live empty lives, despite all wordly gain.
Unfortunately, many prefer to turn to everything and everyone but God.
I have been posting on political venues since 1999 and have encountered all kinds of mindsets. Often, I found that people prefer to hide behind a persona. It's easier, it's cool and it's"safe" (to a smaller degree been there, done that).
Very uncommon to find men or women willing to drop the facade and share their struggles, as you have.
I appreciate your kind words and I can tell you the respect is mutual. Living and changing is a process that requires a lifetime.
My categorization of man was meant as a general guideline and after this discussion I realize how it may have hit the wrong chord.
I respect and admire a man who is aware of his weaknesss, but who trusts God to help him overcome them. Not a perfect man, because there aren't any (same goes for the women) Shall we say a 'godly man'?
Both sexes are prone to go haywire when they abandon right for wrong.
Families disintegration, children who grow up with wrong values or none at all, society that promotes ad nauseam, "If it feels good do it."
Men and women face a tough road ahead, but while the details change, the answer remains the same: love God with all your heart, soul and mind, THEN love your "neighbor" as yourself.
When opportunity presents itself tell them they are on the path and offer them the alternative..
<quote>Dave wrote: My friend, I personally NEED my bad experiences in memory to keep me on the greater path of life. </quote>
You just re-echoed my sentiments. I don't know where you get the idea that I express things better than you. I only have to work harder to post intelligently.
Your dad is a prime example of the multitude of people who are immersed in religion that hasn't changed them a bit, because religion is man-made and has no power to bring about transformation. Only God can.
I pray you dad will discover it before it's too late.
Sorry Dave, for misinterpreting your comment on "condemnation." I should have not guessed!
Trog, Dave you are saying similar things, only looking at it from different angles.
Dave: Jesus DID NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!! show anger and hatred towards the ignorant , sinful masses…………..He showed it towards the ones who KNEW BETTER !!!.
Trog: I don't think Jesus was laughing when he found those gamblers in the temple… You can be angry at your kids and still love them.
Yes. There is a time to be angry, as Jesus displayed when he overturned the table-changers in the temple, or when he confronted the Pharisees' hypocrisy. It can be a healthy thing, but we better make sure to whom and how we direct that anger.
Guys, I have really enjoyed the exchanges.
Dave,
looking back at my post, I noticed Blacks escaped me, but not intentionally.
I completely dig what you are saying. Notwhistanding, there are Blacks who are also disgusted with the status quo, not buying into the baloney activists have been selling.
As to forgiveness, not sure, where you are aiming at with Trog.
In my life, I have found that forgiving those who wronged me would have been a hard-to-impossible feat to accomplish were not that I serve a Savior who forgave me, first. Ergo, shall I do less?
This thread has digressed (I take the blame) from its original intent, but purposeful "talking" apparently was needed.
Sorry Trog.
someone has to ask for forgiveness. Sinners don’t get a free ride to Heaven because of Christ’s sacrifice. They have to be sorry and ask to be forgiven.
Shouldn’t be any different with folks you know. Don’t go all Ghandi and forgive people who steal from you or beat you up. Forgive them if, IF, they realize their error and ask to be forgiven.
Trog, as I said He was angry at the Temple and it's "know-better" religious elite…….not the poor bums who followed the crowd. Those were the ones he had compassion on. It was the "peoples" (not the priests, etc…) who were gambling……yet by the authority of the priests. That's the thing for us, without our compassion……..sometimes what else do they have ?
I'm not thinking you "condemn" folks, just has that brainfart that what if he actually "says" something out in one of those instances that shapes another's future? for the worst.
It's free to say "I hate gays" or "I hate whatever's" on this blog (we are all of like mind)………..but when I read ….well, sometimes the tone of anger bothers me (yes, even when I re-read some of my rants) …….because I realize how that anger affects people out in the real world. Usually , the "angry" person never knows that they are doing it.
Just a thought for you…if the "road is narrow and few…" , is it any wonder people are how they are out in public places? I am not a socialite, but my Christian influence leads me to be a "polite gentleman" in public. If they don't have it…they can't show it.
To borrow a phrase from Ron (hope he don't mind) ……..
"Remind me to never"…………visit your CAVE. Aw, shucks Trog, youz knoze I Be juz pullin yo hat.
Man has his place, so does a woman…..but dominant authority is not it. Authority YES!!!, dominance NO!!!. Without that dictatorial dominance, there is "nurturing" for both sides…….we "men" just call it a diff name. You know, women have "perfume" (sounds idiotically silly and feminine) and men have "deodorant"……. now that's a real man's term. Kill that nasty odor !!!
Now a woman, killing the odor is not enough, she need the elegant aroma of spring fresh garden or whatever the hell it is………….get the point ?
Chad,
this format is much easier to read and I finally see allcomments (even my own).
One new change, though. No way to answer to specific posts. Oh well, can’t have everything.
Thanks!
(2nd attempt – lost it the first time when my program shut down)
Trog,
we agree that people are not automatically saved/go to heaven.
Christ did die for ALL, but each person has to acknowledge he/she is a sinner, repent. believe that Jesus paid the price for their sin on the Cross and accept Him.
However, when it comes to extending forgiveness to others sinful people, it has to be done unconditionally. Even if they never ask to be forgiven.
The Bible states that God forgives us to the extent we forgive others.
Paying the consequences for one’s wrongdoing does not prevent forgiveness.
DITTO for Jordan’s last response about the format, but thanks for all your hard work Bro.
First the Mary M situation is something I won’t go into here and cause a religious debate. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a Dan Brown follower…….but many Bible scholars and “some” thru the Cath. Church are readily admitting that the premise “written” about her was not totally true. One Fine Day we shall all know.
Adam and Eve…..perfect place, but not so “perfect” because the sins began to unfold……but another unwanted debate.
Jordan as for me on this blog, I have been a little “too open” on some things but it’s only via this site and Chad and the men behind it. Grew up next to Sir Charles, ya’ know……..and these other men are his “family” soze all be fine Ize be sure. On a couple other sites I have never been as open. Regardless, men do not respect a “wishy-washy” guy……a real man….maybe part of why they crucified Him. I had to learn thru struggles and hardships when to be hard and when to be soft. I have NOT!!! mastered that wisdom, but I do try to choose to be a “godly” man in all situations…..many of which leaves Dave keeping his mouth shut. Then some of the “guys” say Dave don’t ever talk.
Lastly, I believe in forgiveness for all…..catch is, and to fall into Trog’s line =based upon “worth”. The “worth” aspect also helps define the difference between forgiving and forgetting. It’s a cruel thought that God would ship any person off to condemnation……..but he who is worthy……..different “planet” so to speak. My point I tried to share with Trog was only to say “be careful” how you conduct your anger and disapproval in public. One may have to “knock on the door” to get a response at times……let’s you see how the guy is really thinking.
I fully agree with you. Child neglect is a concern everywhere! It’s about taking preventive measures and as a last resort, put up the child for adoption (some people prefer abortion although I am not in 100% for it either). I won’t even kill an ant!
P.S. Come to think of it…parasites in humans need to be killed! >,<
What about human parasites?