Adam and Eve…..perfect place, but not so “perfect” because the sins began to unfold……but another unwanted debate.

Jordan as for me on this blog, I have been a little “too open” on some things but it’s only via this site and Chad and the men behind it. Grew up next to Sir Charles, ya’ know……..and these other men are his “family” soze all be fine Ize be sure. On a couple other sites I have never been as open. Regardless, men do not respect a “wishy-washy” guy……a real man….maybe part of why they crucified Him. I had to learn thru struggles and hardships when to be hard and when to be soft. I have NOT!!! mastered that wisdom, but I do try to choose to be a “godly” man in all situations…..many of which leaves Dave keeping his mouth shut. Then some of the “guys” say Dave don’t ever talk.

Lastly, I believe in forgiveness for all…..catch is, and to fall into Trog’s line =based upon “worth”. The “worth” aspect also helps define the difference between forgiving and forgetting. It’s a cruel thought that God would ship any person off to condemnation……..but he who is worthy……..different “planet” so to speak. My point I tried to share with Trog was only to say “be careful” how you conduct your anger and disapproval in public. One may have to “knock on the door” to get a response at times……let’s you see how the guy is really thinking.

Trog,

we agree that people are not automatically saved/go to heaven.
Christ did die for ALL, but each person has to acknowledge he/she is a sinner, repent. believe that Jesus paid the price for their sin on the Cross and accept Him.

However, when it comes to extending forgiveness to others sinful people, it has to be done unconditionally. Even if they never ask to be forgiven.
The Bible states that God forgives us to the extent we forgive others.

Paying the consequences for one’s wrongdoing does not prevent forgiveness.

this format is much easier to read and I finally see allcomments (even my own).
One new change, though. No way to answer to specific posts. Oh well, can’t have everything.

Thanks!

"Remind me to never"…………visit your CAVE. Aw, shucks Trog, youz knoze I Be juz pullin yo hat.
Man has his place, so does a woman…..but dominant authority is not it. Authority YES!!!, dominance NO!!!. Without that dictatorial dominance, there is "nurturing" for both sides…….we "men" just call it a diff name. You know, women have "perfume" (sounds idiotically silly and feminine) and men have "deodorant"……. now that's a real man's term. Kill that nasty odor !!!
Now a woman, killing the odor is not enough, she need the elegant aroma of spring fresh garden or whatever the hell it is………….get the point ?

I'm not thinking you "condemn" folks, just has that brainfart that what if he actually "says" something out in one of those instances that shapes another's future? for the worst.
It's free to say "I hate gays" or "I hate whatever's" on this blog (we are all of like mind)………..but when I read ….well, sometimes the tone of anger bothers me (yes, even when I re-read some of my rants) …….because I realize how that anger affects people out in the real world. Usually , the "angry" person never knows that they are doing it.

Just a thought for you…if the "road is narrow and few…" , is it any wonder people are how they are out in public places? I am not a socialite, but my Christian influence leads me to be a "polite gentleman" in public. If they don't have it…they can't show it.

Shouldn’t be any different with folks you know. Don’t go all Ghandi and forgive people who steal from you or beat you up. Forgive them if, IF, they realize their error and ask to be forgiven.

As to forgiveness, not sure, where you are aiming at with Trog.

In my life, I have found that forgiving those who wronged me would have been a hard-to-impossible feat to accomplish were not that I serve a Savior who forgave me, first. Ergo, shall I do less?

This thread has digressed (I take the blame) from its original intent, but purposeful "talking" apparently was needed.
Sorry Trog.