We massacre others, intellectually and mentally and even physically out of ignorance. People take offense of the word "ignorant", when all they need do is look up the damn definition in a dictionary.
When one can learn that meaning within his being, add humility to his being (because of ignorance), and then look at life in a new way we can all aid in "change" for this world.

This ignorance and attitude is what keeps the blood-suckers taking your soul, life and tax dollars away on a daily basis…………..even to youze peoplez who be a thinkun youze not ignorant.
We all are, but few admit it. Too many just have to "know" or "be right". No one will ever know the real truth about J.F.K. and that fateful day, yet everyone really knows about MJ. He was odd to say the least, but no proof to assert any guilt. Just continues to show in modern society people do not "need" or rely on truth to base their judgements.
I personally know a real-world situation where the guilty walk free and the innocent suffers due to majority ignorance, fear of the power pull from said party. They say it is easier to just sweep it under the rug and let it go then to make the guilty one ante up. It is easier for them (selfish and ignorant bastards) and no concern is taken for the victimized party. They even wish the victim to change allegiance to their side.
Our society is a ticking bomb, self ignited.

I am no law professor, but my thoughts and your assertions only need common sense to understand. Your point is yet another great example of how the court of public opinion routinely ignores real facts and often indicts innocent people. You and I may never know the full truth, but my point is that IF Mike was innocent, our society tortured and ruined a man's life. If that is the case, it is very sad.

Thanks again MP. Come back and visit us!

I am no law professor, but my thoughts and your assertions only need common sense to understand. Your point is yet another great example of how the court of public opinion routinely ignores real facts and often indicts innocent people. You and I may never know the full truth, but my point is that IF Mike was innocent our society tortured and ruined a man's life. If that is the case, it is very sad.

Thanks again MP. Come back and visit us!

Ron laid out a very cut and dried, straight forward case for his position. He never wavered from that position. Any third grader could’ve comprehended it. Your obtusity on this thread has gone far beyond being annoying. I am relieved that you finally relented and now this thread will be officially closed. This debate was nonexistent anyway. Why? Because you continued to attribute an assertion to Ron, which he never put forward. Poor Ron was reduced to arguing about which argument he was actually making, as opposed to entering into a thoughtful discussion on his actual argument. What a waste of time and energy. Next time bring a shovel.

Let’s say, MJ admitted in a court of law that he did it. Open and shut case, right? Maybe in our judicial system. But, what if MJ was mentally unstable, and after hearing all of the accusations and not being able to distinguish reality from fantasy, he “thought,” I did it…I am an awful human being…

Since he was unable to remember, with certainty, that he “did it,” I’d like to know, “did he?” I mean, it’s conceivable that if he convinced himself, NO ONE would dare doubt his guilt, right? After all, he was a weirdo. But, what if the accuser knew, and since he never testified in court, he couldn’t be charged?

Of course, this is a stretch, I know. But, many people will jump to conclusions without facts, because their conclusion seems, “likely.”

Chew on that one a bit.

Where did I go wrong? I thought I made sure to admit that I didn’t know the truth? I guess some people need to believe “they know,” when you and I know, “we don’t.” Are we the morally superior country in the world? “Probably.” But, what if…

I readily concede that I believe in God, but by faith, or an “inductive” conclusion — NOT using deductive reasoning. I often use logic to prove that atheists, like believers, have faith. The only logically “deductive” conclusion is to be agnostic. So, I would have no problem agreeing that “probability” is a good indicator, but it does not “always” lead us to truth, i.e. Trog’s “the earth is flat” analogy.

Truth be told, only a very few “truths” can be based on deductive reasoning. Let’s see if I can make anyone suicidal.

Ready?

Thanks Chadro, not being full of crap, and all…….juz now I be a needinz to go get ridz uv sumz crap…..before I explode.

Sorry, can’t get in the ring with the intellectual wizards. They are so smart. Glad, Ron is smart enough to battle……
TaTa

Jordan, I consider you to be a friend. I only made the list of your statements in order to show you how my frustration was gradually elevated over time.

Sorry for allowing my frustration to come out in my comments. I am very passionate about debating things that I have spent a lot of time thinking about. I spent hours reading and thinking about this post, so yes, I take it personal when someone accuses me of poor thinking.

I still think there is a possibility, regardless of how small, and that logically speaking, we don’t know.

That said, you’re a good guy, Jordan